Jedi vs. Link

[Admin]

This question has been heavily debated within the top ranks of the Gaming Club, and now we pose it to you: if a Jedi and Link with the Master Sword were to fight, who would win? Assume all of their respective powers work.

[jedik809]

First, let's make something clear: a true Jedi would never fight Link; they're both forces for good, so they'd have no reason to fight. So, in my vote, I'm assuming we're talking about a Dark Jedi/Sith because that's the only way the two will ever fight. Now, a lightsaber can cut through almost anything (except for one or two materials that only exist in the Star Wars universe, and, of course, other lightsabers), so I would say that would beat the Master Sword, if it weren't for the fact that the Master Sword can repel energy or something like that. So, let's say the weapons are a draw; a Dark Jedi could detect anything Link was going to do through the Force, and Link is an excellent swordsman, so I'm going to assume that they can't beat each other through pure swordsmanship. That leaves the Dark Jedi's Force powers versus Link's magic powers. Most of the Dark Jedi's Force powers could be deflected/absorbed by the Master Sword... except Force Choke. The Dark Jedi does that, and it's game over for Link. Winner: (Dark) Jedi.

[erasmus]

I'm too lazy to type out an entire scenario right now, however even if we assume for the moment that your narrative is correct, it would result in the following:

And then, as the Dark Jedi walks away laughing, content in his victory, Link is resurrected by one of his many fairies in a bottle. Overconfident as all dark jedi are, Link catches him unaware and surprises the Dark Jedi with the Master Sword through his back. This being the sword of Evil's Bane, the Dark Jedi is immediately destroyed. Advantage: Link.

[jedik809]

Ah yes, the fairies; I forgot about those. Well, too bad Link wouldn't actually be able to surprise a Jedi; that whole Force sensitive thing can be a real b*tch for a Jedi's opponents. The Jedi would sense Link's return to life and not be surprised and simply choke him over and over until Link runs out of fairies. Reigning champion: Jedi.

Edit: Also, for these scenarios, I'm assuming an experienced Dark Jedi/Sith (i.e. Vader), not one who would get overconfident and reckless.

[erasmus]

I submit the following two incidents for the record:

1) Empire Strikes Back: In Cloud City when Luke and Vader are dueling, Vader knocks Luke into the carbonite freezing chamber. He then turns around stating "All too easy" and doesn't notice Luke jumping out onto the wires above until after he turns around.

2) Return of the Jedi: When Darth Sidious is zapping Luke with Force Lightning, he doesn't notice Vader going to pick him up and throw him down the shaft until after it's too late.

This proves that even Sith Lords can be overconfident in their supposed victory and not notice what's going on around them. Besides, arrogance is virtually required to lead a path on the Dark Side. I'm not even going to begin bringing up points with Anakin in the new triology.

Therefore, if Vader, or another Sith Lord saw Link die from their Force Grip, they could easily overlook his resurrection by fairy, and get caught by surprise.

Advantage: Link.

[soronthebeast]

I am Going with joe on this one, because Link is a total bad ass. Also when link is wearing the blue suit he does not need to breath, so choking? Link has gadgets for everything.
Now as most comic book fans know, heros fight heros all the time. So lets forget about a Dark Jedi for a second, I mean he has the master sword, that EATS evil overlords.

What about Link Vs. Yoda. You could come up with a million reasons why they would fight. Like magic feels like the Dark Side of the Force, or that Link thought Yoda was a Goblin of some kind.

[soronthebeast]

Link Vs Yoda

Link and Zelda are walking though the swamp, and they come upon a goblin, or is it?
Link draws his sword(the Fairy Sword B!tchs!) Yoda sees it recognizes it as a Sith alchemist blade. He also senses great power in the two, but he cannot tell if its light or dark, but due to thier aggressive nature, and the alchemist blade, he assumes he cannot sense evil because the dark side is clouding his senses, and pulls out his lightsaber.

They fight sword to sword, and are evenly matched. Link does most of the attacking, and Yoda, parrying everything like a badass, waits for the Dark Jedi to make an emotional error so he can come in, but with Link's mirror shield he cannot find an opening either. With no dark side powers of his own Yoda must wait to fling some back. Link jumps away and tries to find this boss’s weakness.

Arrows first. Yoda parries them all, and they vaporize when they hit his sword.
Light Arrow. Yoda and link get in a tennis match with one, until Link pulls out his shield and tries something new.
Boomerang, Yoda is now sure that his opponent is a force user by they way the boomerang always comes back no matter how far away he parries it. (It is magical so it does not get destroyed when it hits the lightsaber.)
Link tries to hookshot the lightsaber out of the Muppet’s hands, he pulls back a stub.
Bombs, Yoda sees his chance. When link throws one he gets it right back in the face as Yoda forces it back at him. After 2-3 tries of that he gives up, hurt but not beaten. (I am assuming that a light saber will kill Link, but we all know that a bomb does like 1 heart)
Link throws the whistle, flute, ocarina, and the windwaker stick and Yoda, who parries them all. They all survive except the stick because it’s really stupid.
Both warriors are tired, nether is betten.

Link Vs Yoda: Tie

Then Link throws the bow to Zelda. She pulls out the light arrows, it’s on!
Yoda cannot protect his back while Link is attacking on the front. He only has one sword. After careful maneuvering and attacking Link and Zelda hit Yoda at the same time, Yoda chooses to parry the sword and gets whacked with the light arrow. Link and Zelda celebrate!
But wait…. The light arrow does NOTHING, Yoda comes back!
Link and Zelda go at it again, and again they get Yoda in the same position, and again he parries the sword, and gets whacked with the... ICE arrow. Old guy has bad circulation, he is a statue.

Link and Zelda Vs Yoda: Winner: Link and Zelda

[soronthebeast]

Now if Yoda had Mace with him... it would be all over!
They would hack that little leprechaun to pieces.

[reblaw]

Jedi would win in a non-Link-centric universe. Link is a hero and courageous and everything, but, really, being one with the Force kind of would tip the scales.

[rich]

I'm sorry to lay this out on all of you, but you're all wrong. It would be Link vs. a True Jedi, not a pansy-ass Sith Lord. Here's how it goes:

The Jedi Order is contacted about a strange disturbance in the force on one of the outter rim planets, in a small relatively unknown province called Hyrule. This province is governed by an evil lord named Gannon. Gannon, like a Hutt, uses cunning and trickery to maintain his power over the people there. It would appear that the Tri-Force, an object of great force ability has been uncovered in Hyrule and that if it were to fall in the wrong hands it would disrupt the balance of the force. The Jedi Council decides that this artefact must be brought back to Corouscant and kept in the archives for safe housing. Master Kenobi is sent to handle the mission.

Obi-Wan arrives in the outer forests of Hyrule and cloaks his ship so that the primitive people of the planet do not discover it. He can sense the great imbalance in the force caused by the artefact and follows its path towards a mountain range. As he comes to a dark forest he senses incredible force power nearby. He is nearly hit by a whizzing arrow but manages to summersault out of the way. Link dives out from the trees brandishing the Master Sword and Obi-Wan pulls out his lightsaber.

"Who are you?" Link demands.

"I am a Jedi and I have come for the piece of the tri-force that you carry. It can not be left here on this world." Obi-Wan informs the young brash warrior.

"You can not have it, I need it to fight Gannon, who also has a part of the Tri-Force." Link replies, not being able to sense good or evil in a person he assumes that Master Kenobi is a servant of Gannon sent to get Link's piece of the Tri-Force. Link lunges at Obi-Wan and attacks.

Obi-Wan parries with his lightsaber* knocking Link back. "There is no need to fight young warrior, just give me the item you carry and I will be on my way to Gannon." Link does not respond as he has no time to talk to his enemies. He digs around his pouch and throws a handfull of bombs at the Jedi. Obi-Wan easily stops them in midair and tosses them aside where they are diffused in a swamp.

Link tries several other projectiles but they all have the same effect. This strange enemy has the uncanny ability to move objects with his mind. He must resort to his trusty sword. The sword fight rages on through the forest. Luckily for Link, the Master Sword combined with his aspect of the Tri-Force allow him to prevent the Jedi's blade from destroying the Master Sword.

After the duel progresses into a small clearing, Obi-Wan sees his opening. Link lunges forward and slashes down hard. The Jedi leaps away atop a nearby tree and then using his mastery of the force entangles Link in a web of ancient tree roots. The young warrior desperately hacks and slashes at the roots but Obi-Wan keeps pulling them out from the ground in this ancient wood and finally catches Link's arm with one.

Having finally trapped his opponent, Obi-Wan uses his telekenisis to pull the Sword from Links hand and stabs it into the nearby ground, well out of the Elf's reach. Master Kenobi senses the location of the Tri-Force and takes it from Link and then leaves without a word. Eventually, once the Jedi is out of range Link pulls free of the roots and immediately heads for Mount Doom to head off his opponent.

When Link arrives at Mt. Doom he is astonished to find all of the guards have been knocked out by what appears to be flying furniture. In Gannon's inner chambers he finds the dark tyrant dead, cut clean in half by an unknown means. There is no trace of any aspect of the Tri-Force.

Link and Zelda settle down in the new peaceful Hyrule and live happily ever after. Obi-Wan returns to Corouscant where he locks the Tri-Force away for safe keeping and then returns to train his young padawan Skywalker.

And *that* is how a Jedi would defeat Link. Also, for the record, any well trained Sith lord (e.g. Darth Maul) could simply hold Link in place and slice and dice him. The reason Sith can't do it to Jedi is because they can use the force and repel the attacks. The only Sith attack a Jedi cannot resist is the Lightning which needs to be absorbed and/or countered.

[soronthebeast]

rich said:

After the duel progresses into a small clearing, Obi-Wan sees his opening. Link lunges forward and slashes down hard. The Jedi leaps away atop a nearby tree and then using his mastery of the force entangles Link in a web of ancient tree roots. The young warrior desperately hacks and slashes at the roots but Obi-Wan keeps pulling them out from the ground in this ancient wood and finally catches Link's arm with one.

Vines? I guess you never learned the sword spin when you played. Let me explan: You spin your sword around and anything that can be cut is. Link is the best plant cutter in the world, you should see him cut grass.

[soronthebeast]

rich said:

When Link arrives at Mt. Doom he is astonished to find all of the guards have been knocked out by what appears to be flying furniture. In Gannon's inner chambers he finds the dark tyrant dead, cut clean in half by an unknown means. There is no trace of any aspect of the Tri-Force.

Link and Zelda settle down in the new peaceful Hyrule and live happily ever after. Obi-Wan returns to Corouscant where he locks the Tri-Force away for safe keeping and then returns to train his young padawan Skywalker.

If Gannon has all of the tri-force, like in SNES, only the light arrows can hurt him, and that’s only in the light. If he only has one piece, the tri-force of power, then only the master sword and the light arrows have the power to beat Gannon, and even then, half the time it just banishes him. Obi-Wan did not take anything off of Link, including the tri-force of courage, so he could not lock it away. And he could not have beaten Gannon.. at all with anything. Gannon's magic would counter all of his force tricks, and the lightsaber would not cut Gannon, who is intangible in half the games, and teleports in the other half of them. Only the light arrows and the Mastersword can beat him.

[soronthebeast]

rich said:

And *that* is how a Jedi would defeat Link. Also, for the record, any well trained Sith lord (e.g. Darth Maul) could simply hold Link in place and slice and dice him. The reason Sith can't do it to Jedi is because they can use the force and repel the attacks. The only Sith attack a Jedi cannot resist is the Lightning which needs to be absorbed and/or countered.

If the tri-force was strong in the force, like everyone is saying I think its just magical, and link had the tri-force of courage, which he does in about half of the games, then he would be just as resistance to being held in place as a Jedi would.

[rich]

1) I said 'Ancient Tree Roots', not 'Vines'. Link has never been able to cut through those enormous old trees that are in the forests and I doubt he'd be able to cut through their roots. And the next time your legs are being held by Roots, I'd like to see you try to spin around.

2) I specifically say above that Obi-Wan does in fact take the Tri-Force of Courage from Link after the battle. Gannon does not have all of the Tri-Force. Furthermore you have no evidence that Gannon's magic could counter the Force powers of a Jedi. There are countless examples in the novels of times when sorcerers have stood no chance against the force. Besides, this isn't about Jedi vs. Gannon, it was Jedi vs. Link.

3) Link doesn't know how to manipulate the Force. Even with a piece of the Tri-Force he has no midichlorians. And I *did* say that it was the Tri-Force that made him able to deflect the Lightsaber without being cut in half.

You should read my story more closely Taylor because I indeed had answered all of your questions within it.

[soronthebeast]

rich said:

2) I specifically say above that Obi-Wan does in fact take the Tri-Force of Courage from Link after the battle. Gannon does not have all of the Tri-Force. Furthermore you have no evidence that Gannon's magic could counter the Force powers of a Jedi. There are countless examples in the novels of times when sorcerers have stood no chance against the force. Besides, this isn't about Jedi vs. Gannon, it was Jedi vs. Link.

you right about the taking, I will try to read better next time.
If the "roots" could entangle Link then they could be slashed. If they are strong enough not to be hurt by the master sword then they would snap before they could be used to twist link up.
If this is not about Gannon then you should not have brought him into it. As holder of the tri-force, ether all of it or the tri-force of power, nothing can hurt Gannon but the items link needs to find in his questing.

I think the real debate is weather the force or the tri-force is more powerful.

If the tri-force is more powerful then the force. Then the welders of the Tri-Force would be perfectly protected from the force, and if force powers do not work, we all know that Link is the better swords fighter. With out thier precognition powers and other force tricks the Jedi would just lose.
If the force and the tri force are equal in power, then Link would still be protected and the Jedi could still use there tricks, just like they could against another force user. In this fight the battle would end in a draw, as I had in my story. To say that Roots could entangle Link would be like saying that Link could hookshot a lightsaber out of a Jedi's hands. In both cases they are too good at using their weapons for such things to work.

Your going to have to show that the welders of the force are more powerful then the tri-force, so that the Jedi can use their silly hold in place powers on Link, because that’s the only way their going to beat him.

[soronthebeast]

The wilders of the Tri-Force have much more of a direct connection to thier power then the wilders of the force
I think that there is no argument that Link at the end of the SNES game could beat any Jedi, since he became keeper of all 3 pieces.
Joe you might want to check that, I know he got all 3 piece to keep at the end of the Nintendo power comic, which was based on the SNES game.
www.zeldacentral.net/comics/np/index.shtml
But the real question is could he win with just the triforce of courage

[erasmus]

You're absolutely right there. Link does attain the full triforce in a number of the games. And as the game states, the full triforce has the power to grant its wielder any wish they desire, essentially making them a god. As evidenced in A Link to the Past, it can grant mass life and death among anything else imaginable. You'd be hard pressed to find any adversary that can take on a wielder of the full triforce.

[soronthebeast]

erasmus said:

You're absolutely right there. Link does attain the full triforce in a number of the games. And as the game states, the full triforce has the power to grant its wielder any wish they desire, essentially making them a god. As evidenced in A Link to the Past, it can grant mass life and death among anything else imaginable. You'd be hard pressed to find any adversary that can take on a wielder of the full triforce.

Yet Link does bet the wilder of the fill triforce in A Link to the Past, since Gannon had all of it in that one. If this does not show what kind of Hero Link is, I do not know what would. Could Obi-Wan beat a god?

[rich]

I think at the point it was realized that the Tri-Force granted deity status to its holder, more than one Jedi would be sent to handle the situation. Also, countless Sith, Sith Lords, Bounty Hunters, Mercenaries, Drifters, Grifters, Merchants, Politicians, Generals, Kings, and Queens would be after it as well.

I think it would become an oft contested artefact if it existed in the Star Wars Universe. However, what if it's power is linked to the land it is on? If this is so one would simply have to remove either the Tri-Force from Hyrule or Hyrule from existence. We all know that Sith and the Imperials have the technology to destroy planets.

Muahaha.

Can Link survive being shot by the Death Star ?

[erasmus]

Now you're unleashing the thought of the Star Wars universe fighting the Zelda universe. That's a much bigger question that I don't think anybody wants to figure out.

It's like the conversation I had a few times with different people about the Star Wars universe fighting the Star Trek universe. There ends up being way too much to consider on both sides and you eventually just stop thinking about it because it can't come to a conclusion.