EPIC at EPiC 2008

[squall255]

Hey Guys, It's your DM Squall here.
Please note a typo in the game time: Gathering will be at 12:30, with plot starting at 1. Be there at 12:30 to meet your fellow Champions.

Questions and rule posts will be put here, you guys are required to post your build here before the convention for DM approval. Basic rules so far:

Stats: 34 point buy (DMG 169)
HP: Average for HD size as set in DMG page 198.
BASE CL caps at 20. About half of the more powerful EPIC spellcasting feats are banned in order to restore balance along the Fighter - Caster axis.
Books allowed: All except BoVD. You guys will be playing champions of the Good Deities, so make your backstory fit/ applicable.
LA is negotiable. I'm a big fan of strange races, so if you want to play something odd, now's your chance
Sanity is required in character design

Auto Quick: Only taken once
Epic Spellcasting: Banned
Imp Spell Capacity: YOu may gain slots based on highest you can can cast, max 9th. Talk to me becasue more slots may be granted if low level is selected.
Multispell: Only taken once

Starting Gold: 15,000,000 GP

More rules later, Ask questions if you have them.

[thedude51]

Jain Zar, the Storm of Silence
Paragon Elf Paladin 2 / Warblade 8 / Ftr 4 / Eternal Blade 10
Speed: 140 feet (Fly 170 feet: Perfect) (Tumble Mod: +56)

HP: 1,000 (Fast Healing 20, DR 10/Epic, Robilar’s)
AC: 97 (75 Touch) (Displacement, Retributive Amulet)
Initiative: +26 (19dex, 2comp, 5insight)

Zhai Morren:
AB: +78/+78/+73/+68/+63
Damage: 1d6+51+1 con damage
Special: Wounding, Wrathful Healing
Critical: (15-20) x2, Auto-Confirm

Jainas Mor:
AB: +78/+78/+73/+68
Damage: 1d6+40+1 con damage
Special: Wounding, Wrathful Healing
Critical: (15-20) x2, Auto-Confirm

Attack Routine WITH Eldrad’s Song:
AC: 63 (41 touch)
Zhai Morren:
AB: +122/+122/+117/+112/+107
Damage: 1d6+51+1 con damage + 24d6 sonic
Special: Wounding, Wrathful Healing
Critical: (15-20) x2, Auto-Confirm

Jainas Mor:
AB: +122/+122/+117/+112
Damage: 1d6+40+1 con damage + 24d6 electric
Special: Wounding, Wrathful Healing
Critical: (15-20) x2, Auto-Confirm



Options:
Eternal Training: 5/day, gain +13 attacks/damage against one creature type
Swift Action to ignore DR of one enemy for a turn
Swift Action for +13 Dodge AC against one enemy
Swift Action for any enemies hit for the round take -13 AC
Island in Time 1/Encounter

Zhai Morren: +8 Cold Iron Wounding Wrathful Healing Scimitar

Jainas Mor: +8 Cold Iron Wounding Wrathful Healing Scimitar

(Wrathful Healing is Enemies & Allies, p20)

Str: 52 (10pts, 15paragon, 4levels, 5inherent, 12enhance)
Dex: 48 (10pts, 2racial, 15paragon, 5inherent, 6enhance, 4sacred)
Con: 48 (10pts, -2racial, 15paragon, 2levels, 5inherent, 12enhance)
Int: 36 (2pts, 15paragon, 5inherent, 6enhance)
Wis: 34 (15paragon, 5inherent, 6enhance)
Cha: 40 (2pts, 15paragon, 5inherent, 6enhance, 4sacred)

AB Breakdown:
BAB: +22
Paragon: +25
Strength: +21
Enhancement: +8
Weapon Focus: +1
Haste: +1
Morale: +2
TWF: -2
Total: +78

Damage Breakdown:
Base: 1d6
Paragon: +20
Strength: +21 / +10
Enhancement: +8
Morale: +2

AC Breakdown:
Base: 10*†
Dexterity: 19*
Insight: 12*†
Luck: 12*†
Natural: 10†
Wisdom: 12*†
Armor: 8†
Shield: 4†
Sacred: 5*†
Dodge: 5*

Total: 97

Touch AC (*): 75
Flat-Footed A (†): 73 [Uncanny Dodge]
Touch & Flat-Footed: 51 [Uncanny Dodge]

Saves:
Fort: +77 (18base, 10insight, 19con, 15cha, 10res, 5sacred)
Reflex: +64 (5base, 10insight, 19con, 15cha, 10res, 5sacred)[Evasion]
Will: +57 (5base, 10insight, 12wis, 15cha, 10res, 5sacred)

Special Qualities:
DR 10/Epic
SR 35
Fast Healing 20
Spell-Like Abilities: 3/day: Greater Dispel Magic, See Invisibility, Haste (CL15)

Maneuvers:
Known (12)
Time Stands Still
Diamond Defense
Quicksilver Motion

Raging Mongoose
Girallon Windmill Flesh Rip
Dancing Mongoose

Scything Blade
Iron Heart Focus
Iron Heart Surge

White Raven Tactics
Clarion Call
Warmaster’s Charge

Readied (7)
Time Stands Still
Raging Mongoose
Dancing Mongoose
Warmaster’s Charge
Quicksilver Motion
Iron Heart Focus
Diamond Defense

Stances (3)
Stance of Alacrity (x)
Press the Advantage
Wolverine Stance

Feats:
Paragon:
HD1: Two-Weapon Fighting
HD3: Weapon Focus (Scimitar)
HD6: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Warblade 5: Combat Reflexes
HD9: Improved Combat Reflexes
Warblade 9: Ironheart Aura
HD12: Robilar’s Gambit
Ftr1: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Ftr2: Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
HD15: Stormguard Warrior
Ftr 4: Double Hit
HD18: Greater Combat Reflexes

Epic Feats:
HD21: Improved Combat Reflexes
HD24: Epic Leadership (Leadership Score: 58)

Skills (27 ranks each):
Tumble: +56
Concentration: +56
Diplomacy: +52
Sense Motive: +49
Bluff: +52
Knowledge (History): +50
Knowledge (Religion): +50
Knowledge (Planes): +50

Background:
Jain Zar is the sublime champion of the elven race. Sent by Corellan Larethian as a prophet and champion of the elves, Jain Zar has spent a lifetime of battle against the forces of evil, leading the Elven Host to victory on a thousand battlefields over hundreds of years. Hardened by centuries of battle, Jain Zar is generally grim and silent, spending most of her time out of battle meditating and conferring with the spirits of her ancestors.
After leading a crusade into the Underdark and razing the Drow metropolis of Menzoberranzan, shattering the Orc Empire of Ghazfang and slaying the Prophet of the Whaaaag!, the main threats to the elven race on the Material Plane have been destroyed. Jain Zar has been recently called back to the outer planes to participate in a special crusade coordinated by various good deities.

Items:
Head: Headband if Iron Thought
Face: Lenses of True Vision
Neck: Amulet of Avoidance
Shoulders: Cloak of Sacred Fortification
Body: Adamant Vestments
Torso: Rainment of Purity
Arms: Bracers of Mighty Blows
Hands: Gloves of Dexterity +6
Ring1: Ring of Sure Strikes
Ring2: Ring of Shield and Sustenance
Waist: Belt of Battle
Feet: Boots of Swiftness
Carried: +1 Warning Dagger

Custom Items:
Headband of Iron Thought
+6 Intelligence (36,000)
+6 Charisma (36,000)
Continual Mind Blank (120,000)
Total: 192,000

Ring of Wraithstrike:
Continual Wraithstrike (8,000)
Continual Haste (120,000)
Total: 128,000

Bracers of Mighty Blows:
Continuous Dolorous Blow on held weapon (2x): 60,000
+12 Strength: 1,440,000
Total: 1,500,000

Amulet of Avoidance
Evasion (25,000)
+5 Sacred Bonus to AC (62,500)
+5 Dodge Bonus to AC (62,500)
Total: 150,000

Cloak of Sacred Fortification
Cloak of Epic Resistance +10: 1,000,000
Retributive Amulet (BoED): 56,000
Total: 1,056,000

Rainment of Purity
Continuous Death Ward (144,000)
+5 Sacred Bonus to Saves (50,000)
Universal Energy Immunity (2,160,000)
Continuous Inner Beauty (120,000)
Continuous Heroism (45,000)
Total: 2,519,000


Boots of Swiftness
Continuous Elemental Body (Air): 182,000
Continuous Freedom of Movement: 108,000
Continuous Cloud Wings: 12,000
Continuous Footsteps of the Divine (Farlanghn): 120,000
Total: 422,000

Belt of War
Belt of Battle (12,000)
+12 Constitution (1,440,000)
+5 Natural Armor Bonus to AC (50,000)
Shaped Antimagic Field at will (Standard activation, excludes my square) (118,800)
Total: 1,620,800

Lenses of True Vision
Continuous True Sight: 205,000
Continuous See Invisibility: 18,000
+20 on Spot checks: 40,000
Total: 263,000

Ring of Defense
Continuous Shield (8000)
Sustenance (2500)
Continual Displacement (120,000)
Total: 130,500

Adamant Vestments
+6 Wisdom (36,000)
Monk’s Belt (13,000)
+8 Armor Bonus to AC (64,000)
Total: 113,000

Tome +5 to all stats (825,000)

Other: Portable Hole (14,000)

Loose Change: 269,800



Cohort:
Eldrad Ulthran
Elf Sorcerer 2 / Bard 2 / Warblade 20 / Warchanter 10


HP: 629
AC: 100 (Retributive Amulet, Displacement, Uncanny Dodge)
Touch AC: 68
Speed: 80, Fly 110 (Perfect)
Initiative: +27 (8dex, 8 sup init, 4 hummingbird familiar, 5insight, 2comp)

Abilities:
Str: 8
Dex: 26 (4pts, 2racial, 5inherent, 1level, 6enhance)
Con: 36 (12pts, -2racial, 5inherent, 6levels, 12enhance)
Int: 10 (2pts)
Wis: 24 (4pts, 5inherent, 1level, 6enhance)
Cha: 16 (10pts)

Longsword:
AB: +42 / +37 / +32 / +27
Damage: 1d6 - 1 + 24d6 sonic

Inspire Recklessness:
Allies can subtract up to BAB from AC and add it as morale bonus to attacks

Inspire Legion:
All allies within 60 feet set BAB to +34

Inspire Courage:
+24 morale Bonus to attacks and damage
-OR-
+24d6 sonic damage on all attacks

Saves:
Fort: +40 (10base, 7epic, 5res, 5sacred, 13con)
Ref: +37 (8base, 7epic, 5res, 5sacred, 8dex, 4epicReflexes) (Evasion)
Will: +35 (11base, 7epic, 5res, 5sacred, 7wis)

Feats:
Song of the White Raven
Song of the Heart (+1 inspire courage bonus)
Words of Creation
Draconic Heritage (Battle Dragon)
Dragonfire Inspiration
Improved Initiative (Warblade bonus)
Subsonics
Weapon Finesse

Epic Feats:
Superior Initiative
Epic Reflexes
Epic Inspiration
Epic Inspiration
Epic Inspiration

Item Effects (these are spread through various items. I’m too lazy to sort them into groups and fit them into the various body slots)
Badge of Valor (+1 inspire courage bonus)
Item of Inspirational Boost at will (+1 inspire courage bonus) (1800gp)
Retributive Amulet (56,000)
+5 Sacred AC (62,500)
+5 Dodge AC (62,500)
+5 Luck AC (62,500)
+5 Insight AC (62,500)
+5 Natural AC (50,000)
+10 Mithril Breastplate (1,000,000)
+10 Mithril Heavy Shield (1,000,000)
+5 Deflection AC (50,000)
Continuous Mind Blank (120,000)
Evasion (20,000)
Continuous Death Ward (144,000)
+5 Sacred to Saves (50,000)
+5 Resistance to Saves (25,000)
Universal Energy Immunity (2,160,000)
Continual Elemental Body (Air): (182,000)
Continual Footsteps of the Divine: (120,000)
Continual Cloud Wings: (12,000)
Continuous Freedom of Movement (108,000)
+12 Constitution: (1,440,000)
+5 Tomes of Con, Dex, and Wis (412,500)
Monk’s Belt: (13,000)
+6 Enhancement to Dexterity and Wisdom (72,000)
Continual Displacement (120,000)
Shaped Antimagic Field at will (118,800)
Superior Invisibility 4/day (172,800)
+1 Warning Dagger (8000)
+5 Defending Armor Spikes (72,000)
+5 Defending Shield Spikes (72,000)
Belt of Battle (12,000)
+8 Defending Rapier (1,620,000)
+30 competence to concentration (90,000)
Portable Hole (14,000)

Spare Change: 478,100

AC Breakdown:
10 base
5 insight
5 sacred
5 dodge
5 luck
5 natural
5 deflection
15 armor
12 shield
8 dex
7wis
18 defending weapons
Total: 100

Initiator Level: 27
Maneuvers:
Known (13):
Warmaster’s Charge
Order Forged From Chaos
White Raven Tactics

Iron Heart Focus
Iron Heart Surge

Diamond Defense
Mind over Body
Action Before Thought
Moment of Perfect Mind
Quicksilver Motion

Readied (7):
Warmaster’s Charge
Order Forged From Chaos
White Raven Tactics
Quicksilver Motion
Diamond Defense
Mind Over Body
Action Before Thought

Stances (4):
Leading the Charge (x)
Stance of Alacrity (x)
Supreme Blade Parry
Pearl of Black Doubt

Relevant Skills:
Perform (Song): +40 (37ranks, 3charisma)
Concentration: +80 (37 ranks, 13con, 30comp)

Eldrad Ulthran is a great elven musician, poet, and warrior. He has accompanied Jain Zar on the great elven Crusades, and proved himself time and again in the firmament of battle. An inspirational leader, Ulthran was chosen as the one among all elves to accompany Jain Zar on her mission for the Gods.

[laharl]

Sir Eddard of Balacenia
Male Feral Quickened Anthromorphic Cachalot Whale (LA 9) 3/Lion Totem Barbarian 10/Frenzied Berserker 10/Champion Of Gwynharwyf 8
Chaotic Good

ABILITIES
Strength 16+8racial+4feral+2levels+4inh+8enh=42
Dexterity 13+6racial-2feral+8quickened+1level+5inh+9enh=40
Constitution 16+6racial+2feral+2quickened+4levels+4inh+8enh=42
Intelligence 10-4feral=6
Wisdom 13+6racial+2feral+10ins+5inh+8enh=44
Charisma 10

STATISTICS
HP: 30d12+12+31Con=712
AC: 75=10+15Dex+9nat-1size+18belt+10armor+5defl+4shield+5luck
Touch: 52
FF: 75 (Touch FF 52)
Speed: 50, fly 180 (good)
Initiative: +15=+15Dex
BAB/Grapple: +26/+46

SAVES
Fort +68 = +15Con+17Wis+12base+5epic+4morale+10resistance+5luck
Ref +54 = +15Dex+17Wis+8base+5epic+4morale+10resistance+5luck
Will +65 = +16Wis+17Wis+8base+5epic+4morale+10resistance+5luck
*+5 vs [Evil] or spells from evil

ATTACKS
1)
Holy Devastator
Bonus: +58/+53/+48/+43=+26bab+7enh+16Str-1size+4morale+6luck
Damage: 2d8+23Str+7enh+6luck
Attack Options: +6d6+1neg vs evil, PA 4:1, charging x2 + PA 8:1
Smite: +16/+16
*On pounce, 2 rakes (+52), 2d6+8Str+6luck=2d6+14 (x2)

Feat:
Bonus: Dodge
Bonus: Mobility
Bonus: Spring Attack
1HD: Power Attack
3HD: Cleave
6HD: Destructive Rage
9HD: Intimidating Rage
12HD: Improved Bull Rush
15HD: Righteous Wrath [BOED]
18HD: Knight of Stars [BOED]
21HD: Serenity [Dragon Compendium]
24HD: Shock Trooper
27HD: Leap Attack
30HD: Reckless Rage[Races of Stone]

BARBARIAN ABILITIES
Mighty Tireless Rage 6/day (+10Str/Con, +4 Will, -4 AC)
Trap Sense +3
(Improved) Uncanny Dodge (Rog level 14)
DR 2/-
Pounce

CHAMPION OF GWYNHARWYF ABILITIES
Immunity to charms and compulsions
+2 morale vs enchantment
Smite Evil 2/day
DR 4/-
Divine Grace
Furious Spellcasting
Detect Evil

FRENZIED BERSERKER ABILITIES
Greater Frenzy 5/day
Deathless Frenzy
Supreme Power Attack
Supreme Cleave
Inspire Frenzy 2/day

MISC
DR 6/-
Quickening 5/day, 28 rounds
Pounce
Rake
Rend
Improved Grab
Darkvision 120
Blindsight 60
Fast Healing 5


Stuffz:
Tomes (read and returned to local library):
+4 Manual of Bodily Health, 110,000GP
+5 Manual of Quickness of Action, 137,500GP
+4 Manual of Gainful Exercise, 110,000GP
+5 Tome of Understanding, 137,500GP

Amulet of Enhancement:
Empowered Divine Agility (CDiv): 728,000
Greater Heroism[command word]: 118,800
Deeper Darkness: 15,000
Elemental Body[SC, Earth]: 182,000
Divine Favor[CL 18]: 144,000
Wisdom +8: 640,000

Goggles of Sight:
True Seeing[Hathran Mask of True Seeing, UE]: 75,000
See Invisibility: 18,000
Ebon Eyes: 1500

Ring of Defense:
Protection +5: 50,000
Owl's Insight [CL 20, command word]: 180,000
Death Ward: 112,000
Universal Elemental Immunity: 2,160,000
Sustenance: 2500
Shield: 4000
Evasion: 20,000
Freedom of Movement: 40,000
Second Wind[SC, command word]: 1800

Ring of Evasion, Solar Wings and Wings of Swift Flying, 140,000GP
Cloak of Resistance +10, 1,000,000P
Monk's Belt of Constitution + 8 and Strength + 8, 653,000
Bracers of Armor +10, 100,000GP
Valorous Shadowstriking[Tome of Magic] Holy Devastator with Blood Frenzy[SC] 5/day, 7,220,325
Boots of Luck:
+5 luck saves: 62,500
+5 luck AC: 62,500
Dolorous Blow: 60,000
Spent: 14,925,440

Rage stats:
Str 52
Con 52
AC 73
HP 821
Attack +63/+58/+53/+48, 2d8+43

Rage/Frenzy:
Str 62
Con 52
AC 71
Attack +68/+68/+63/+58/+53, 2d8+51

History:
Sir Eddard of Balacenia began his days as the whale he still resembles, swimming through the seas, his only concern how many plankton he could snarf before mating season. After several cycles of this life, his pod was snatched from the sea without warning and plunged into a horror none of them could have imagined. Countless spells were cast on them, changing their very nature in twisted, excructiatingly painful ways. After an indeterminate, hazy, time in this nightmare, the few survivors were released back, without ever knowing the precise identities of their captors beyond hints here and there. They had been turned into some sort of man-whale thing, though one had pointy ears, implying she was a different sort of man-whale-thing.

Without a clue where they had been dropped, the five started to wander in hopes of finding the sea. They were driven out of several villages as 'freaks', never giving up on their dream, however. Years passed as they wandered. One died on the way and another two gave up from the demands of the journey, finding hot springs with caves they could live in, leaving only the elf-whale and one man-whale. They reached the sea after another five years, reaching the sea just ahead of a lynch mob demanding they be sacrificed. Pushed into the waves, they tried to swim and restart their lives under the waves. Unfortunately for them, the spells cast on them robbed them of their swimming stamina and their new bodies were far from hydrodynamic.

They were able to reach an island, exhausted, and were welcomed into the village there. The male was given the name Eddard and the female Arya, as they had no need of names before. Eddard joined the guard, while Arya apprenticed with the village healer. He rose quickly and gained a reputation for fairness as well as valor. After rising quickly through the guard, he was promoted to its commander after an orcish raid. A week later, Arya was killed during another raid while Eddard and the majority of the guard were out 'chastising' the orcs. Eddard went berserk, slaughtering every orc and a few of the guard members before the others could stop him. The village shaman sent him to a sage who could help him control this animalistic rage. The sage, Maester Aemon, lived in a mountain back on the mainland.

After a long and arduous journey, Eddard reached the sage, though the rage had not only grown in strength, it was the only thing that had kept him alive at several junctures. Aemon sent him on a meditation quest and Eddard conquered his rage, mastered it, and shackled it to his will. No more would it dominate him, but instead he would dominate it and drive it to his will. With this victory, Aemon sent him to Kesh, a tolerant kingdom on the mainland, where he joined the army and rose quickly. His reputation for justice spread far and wide, as did the word of his strength.

He spent fifteen fairly happy years in Kesh, until he left under a cloud of confusion after an incident in which he was ordered to massacre a village of innocents. He refused and slipped away before he could be apprehended, doing some serious structural damage en route. As he wandered, righting wrongs a la Robin Hood with a touch of borderline excessive force, he was contacted by an agent of Celestia and offered a position there, where he could be assured that nothing he would be asked to do would violate his moral code. He accepted and has served the armies of Good ever since.

Personality:
Eddard is good, if simple, and, well, dumb. He's like a small child: quick to anger, quick to fight, and quick to forget. He has a strong moral code, though he is easily manipulated.

Appearance:
Eddard is, in a word, big. Rippling muscles cover his body. He does, however, look like a whale with arms and legs. It's every bit as weird as it sounds.

[evangelion1010]

Are we using standard item generation rules? If so every additional ability on an item except the most expensive one is multiplied by 1.5...

Not that I have a problem with doing it this way, but if we do it this way there's no point to having a limitation on slots... I can make 1 item of +10 resist +12 stat + 5 luck AC/Resist True seeing ... and it costs the same as if I put those abilities on 3 different items.

As for my character, I should be putting it up sometime over the next week or two. I'm also likely going to be taking 10 levels of swiftblade, provided the DM/thedude don't mind.

[squall255]

I don't mind, and multiple abilities to the same item don't cost extra within reason. Try to limit it to 3 or 4 abilities that make sense for the item. Themed items are good too. Like an item of Luck that is Luck bonus to everything, or an item of Defense that is +everything to AC and/or saves. I don't mind you leaving a few slots blank, but one item with like 12 enhancements will be split.

[Nick Kruse]

Todd the Builder
Old Human (NG)
Classes:
Sorcerer 6/ Fighter 14/ Pale Master 10/Master Transmogrifer 10

BAB: +27/+22/+17/+12
Caster Level: 20

HD: 26d4+14d10+120+40 HP: (302)
AC: 27 (2dex, 10armor, 2natural, 3deflection)
Touch AC: 15
Flat-Footed AC: 25
Initiative: +10
Speed: 30

Ray:
Attack Bonus:
+27 Base
+2 Dexterity
+5 enhancement
+4 (focus)
Total: +38

Abilities:
Str: 22(+6) (6pts, +5 inherent, -3 age)
Dex: 14(+2) (4pts, +5 inherent, -3 age)
Con: 16(+3) (0pts, +5 inherent, +6 enhancement -3 age)
Int: 26(+8) (6pts, 2 age, 5inherent, 4 enhancement, 1lvl)
Wis: 27(+8) (6pts, 2 age, 5 inherent, 2 enhancement, 4lvl)
Cha: 36(+13) (10pts, 2 age, 5 inherent, 8 enhancement, 5 levels)

Saves:
Fortitude: +23 (17base, 3abil, 3res)
Reflex: +17 (12base, 2abil, 3res)
Will: +34 (23base, 8abil, 3res)

Feats (16):
Skill focus religion
Sacred vow
Vow of poverty
(bonus exalted feat): Improved familiar Lantern Archon.
Eschew mat.
Imp. toughness
Weapon Focus (ray)
Greater weapon Focus (ray)
Weapon Specialization (ray)
Greater weapon specialization (ray)
Improved Initiative
Precise shot
Point blank shot
Arcane preparation
Sudden maximize
Sudden maximize
Energy substitution electricity

Epic Feats (8):
Extraordinary. concentration
Spell Stowaway (Time Stop)
Ignore Material components
Multi-Spell
Auto Quicken (1-3)
Epic Weapon Focus (ray)
Epic Weapon Specialization (ray)
Superior Initiative

Poverty:
+5 weapon enhancement bonus
Resistance 15 to all elements
Ability score enhancements
DR 10/evil
AC bonus +10
Deflection bonus to AC +3
True seeing
Resistance bonus to saves +3
Natural Armor +2
Greater Sustenance (no need to eat, drink or breath)

Skills [ranks][ability][competence][other]
Bluff [24][13]=37
Concentration [43][3]=46
Craft: Architecture [43][8]=51
Craft: Raw Materials [43][8]=51
Disguise: [15][13]=28
Heal: [14][8]=22
Spellcraft: [43][8]=51
Knowledge: religion [18][8]=26
Knowledge: Arcana [43][8]=41
Knowledge: Architecture and Engineering [43][8]=51

Spells:
DC 28+spell level, CL18
1 (6) True Strike, expeditious retreat, shield, grease, feather fall
2 (6) Alter Self, Cat's grace, Darkness, Obscure object
3 (6) Non-detection, Tongues, Heroism, Haste
4 (6) Dimension Door, Polymorph, wall of fire, remove curse
5 (6) Break Enchantment, Wall of Force, Telekinesis, Duel Ward
6 (6) Contingency, Geas, Anti- Magic field
7 (6) Elemental Immunity, sequester, teleport (greater)
8 (6) Polymorph any Object, Moment of Presence, Mind Blank
9 (6) Time Stop, Shape Change, Mage's Disjunction

Class Abilities:
Sorceror:
Familiar
Fighter:
None
Pale Master:
Animate Dead
Darkvison
Undead armor affinity (20%)
Control Undead
deathless vigor (+4 fort saves)
Undead graft, paralyzing touch
Tough as bone: immune to disease non-lethal damage and stunning.
Undead Cohort
Deathless Mastery: immune to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, death effects, critical hits, ability drain, energy drain and damage to physical ability scores.
Master Transmogrifist:
Favored shape (9)
Extended Change: Extend transmutation into favored shape
Manifest senses: gain extraordinary senses of favored shape
Battle mastery +6 (to attack when in favored shape)
Effortless change: stilled and silent transmutation into favored shape
Shape changer: auto-permanent Alter Self, shapechanger subtype
Reflexive change: Transmute into favored shape as an immediate action, lose your next turn
Manifest qualities: gain extraordinary qualities of favored shape
Infinite variety: Splice one aspect of another creature onto one of your favored shapes.


Favored Forms:

Protean Scourge form:
As above except Medium Monstrous Humanoid;Spd 40ft, climb 10ft; AC 39, touch 19, ff 33; Hp 582, Grp +34, atk na, Space/reach 5/5. SA Split. SQ Change shape, damage reduction 10/silver,
dark-vision 60, immunity to petrification and poison, SR 24. SV Fort +30, Reflex +22. Str25(7), Dex22(6), Con30(10)

Ocher Jelly form:
As above except Large Ooze; Spd 10ft, climb 10ft; AC 17, touch , flat footed; HP 662, Grp 32, atk claw 2d6+10, fullatk 2 claws 2d6+10, gore 1d8+7,, Space/reach 10/5. SA Improved grab, constrict. SQ Blindsight 60, split, ooze traits, SV Fort +32, Reflex +13; Str 20(+5), Dex 6(-2), Con 33(+12).
Split (Ex) Slashing and piercing weapons and electricity attacks deal no damage to an ochre jelly. Instead the creature splits into two identical jellies, each with half of the original’s current hit points (round down). A jelly with 10 hit points or less cannot be further split and dies if reduced to 0 it points.

Shambling Mound Form:
As above except Large Plant Spd: 20ft, swim 20ft. Hp 462, AC 35, touch 14, ff 33, Grp +38, atk slam 34 melee (2d6+7) full atk 2 slams. Space/reach 10/10 SA Improved grab, constict 2d10+10. SQ Darkvision 60ft, immunity to electricity (+1d4 con), SV Fort 27 Ref 17; Str 26 (+7), Dex 15(+2), Con25(+7).

Shambling Army Form
As Shambling Mound Form except add Ocher Jelly SA Split (see above)

War Troll
Same as above except Large Monstrous Humanoid; Spd 40ft, AC , touch 17, ff 35; HP 782, Grp 39, atk Claw +51 1d8+18 fulatk 2 claws +51 1d8+18 bite +46 1d6+11 Space/Reach 10/10, SA Dazing blow (Ex) (Fort 31), SA DR 5/adamantine, darkvision 90ft, low light vision, regeneration 9 (acid), scent, spell resistance 20. Fort: +35, Reflex: +20

Indomitable War Troll
As War Troll, except with Arcane Ooze SA Immunity to Magic (see below)

Choker Form:
As above except Small Aberration; Spd 20ft, climb 10ft; AC 17, touch , flat footed; HP 462, Grp , atk na, Space/reach 5/10. SA Improved grab, constrict. SQ Darkvison 60, quickness (extra standard or move action) SV Fort +27, Reflex +18; Str 21(+5), Dex 19(+4), Con 24(+7).

Other Creatures Often Used:

Protean Swarm form (shapechange only):
As Protean Scourge form except add Ghaele light ray Ex.rngd touch atk +48,
Auto quicken Alter Self into Gargoyle (2claws 1d4+10) fly speed 60

Laser Jelly Artillery Form (shapechange only):
As Ocher Jelly Form except add Ghaele SA Light Ray (See below)
rngd atk +40

Ghaele:
Ex: Light Ray 2d12 (+8) ranged attack, range 300ft, bypasses all damage reduction.

Arcane Ooze
Ex: Immunity to Magic: An arcane ooze is immune to any spell of spell-like ability that allows spell resistance. In addition, certain spells and effects function differently against the creature, as noted below.
A magical attack that deals electricity damage increases an arcane ooze's speed as if it had been affected by the haste spell for 3 rounds.
A magical attack that deals acid damage heals an arcane ooze of an amount of damage equal to half the acid damage that the spell would have normally caused.

Yugloth, Nycaloth (Familiar uses this form)
atk 4 claws 1d6+5
Bleeding Wounds (Ex) A wound from a nycaloth's claw attack continues to bleed after the injury was inflicted. Each wound bleeds for 1 point of damage per round thereafter. The bleeding can be stopped only by a successful DC 15 Heal check or application of a cure spell.

Daily Buffs:
Immunity to Acid (lvl 7 spell CA)
Immunity to Sonic (lvl 7 spell CA)
Alter self (dirty peasant)
Contingency (polymorph)(lvl 6 cast yesterday): Turns into a War Troll with an Arcane Ooze's Extra-Ordinary Special Quality: Immunity to Magic, directly before taking damage.
Moment of Presence (lvl 8)
Mind Blank (lvl 8)

Contingent Spells (Crafted):
Spell lvl* caster lvl* 100
Freedom when affected by any of the conditions that freedom relieves. 15,300gp
5X Wall of Force when an anti-magic field is 10 feet away or less. Each wall is positioned on a different side of the antimagic field closing it in. Caster level 10, max range 50ft. 25,000gp
Dimension door, when anti-magic field is 5 feet away or less, teleport away 300 feet. 2800gp
Greater Teleport, when anti-magic field fills any adjacent square, teleport to the inner sanctum of the church of Moradin. 9100gp
Greater Spell Immunity vs Dispel magic, Greater dispel magic when either spell targeted within 20ft. 12,000gp


Lantern Archon Familiar.
Wears a tiara worth 1500 (loans it for shape change)
Hovers nearby.


Equipment:
Rags
Small Bag (nonmagical)
One days rations
Walking Stick

Total Gold Used:
751,700gp
Gold spent to build low income housing for poor people:
14,248,300gp

[squall255]

Nick, I'm sorry, but Pale Master does not quite fit into Champions of Good. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to nix that class from you. I'll allow VoP for you though, you don't seem to be abusing it too much.

Suggestion: Drop two levels of Fighter, pick up 2 levels of Rogue, and go Spell Warped Sniper from Complete Scoundrel. if you need the info, e-mail me.

[Nick Kruse]

I understand wanting to nix pale master from a power gaming standpoint. It is a very powerful class. Although if you object from a role playing standpoint I can see a couple of alternatives.

1) Todd prays to Evening Glory(Libris Mortis), the eternal lover, who is true neutral, though like St. Cuthbert, leans toward the good side of neutral. Evening Glory is the god of eternal love. In this case Todd would be able to keep his Undead Cohort (his raised lover). Todd would also be free to stay true neutral even after completing the pale master class, but it would make sense to me if he became neutral good. Successfully bringing one's soul mate back from the dead would lighten up the coldest most calculating of neutral alignments.

2) Though Todd was heavily immersed in the dark arts in his youth he has since seen the light. He has turned his back on even his old and mummified form preferring that of an average human peasant. He even banished his undead cohort. Todd is a devout follower of Moradin the Creator. (this is what I had originally intended, since it seemed most balanced what with giving up about half of the things granted by the pale master prestige class, besides a lot of good people have a dark past)

[nickkruse]

If the pale master build really doesn't cut it here is an alternative. I like it slightly less, but it is more believable as a good character.

Todd the Builder
Old Human (NG)
Classes:
Sorcerer 6/ Fighter 14/ Lore Master 10/Master Transmogrifer 10

BAB: +27/+22/+17/+12
Caster Level: 20

HD: 26d4+14d10+120+40 HP: (302)
AC: 27 (2dex, 10armor, 2natural, 3deflection)
Touch AC: 15
Flat-Footed AC: 25
Initiative: +10
Speed: 30

Ray:
Attack Bonus:
+27 Base
+2 Dexterity
+5 enhancement
+4 (focus)
+1 Weapon trick
Total: +39

Abilities:
Str: 22(+6) (6pts, +5 inherent, -3 age)
Dex: 14(+2) (4pts, +5 inherent, -3 age)
Con: 16(+3) (0pts, +5 inherent, +6 enhancement -3 age)
Int: 26(+8) (6pts, 2 age, 5inherent, 4 enhancement, 1lvl)
Wis: 27(+8) (6pts, 2 age, 5 inherent, 2 enhancement, 4lvl)
Cha: 36(+13) (10pts, 2 age, 5 inherent, 8 enhancement, 5 levels)

Saves:
Fortitude: +25 (17base, 3abil, 3res, 2lore master)
Reflex: +19 (12base, 2abil, 3res, 2lore master)
Will: +36 (23base, 8abil, 3res, 2lore master)

Feats (16):
Skill focus religion
Sacred vow
Sudden maximize
Sudden maximize
Energy substitution electricity
Vow of poverty
(bonus exalted feat): Improved familiar Lantern Archon.
Eschew mat.
Imp. toughness
Weapon Focus (ray)
Greater weapon Focus (ray)
Weapon Specialization (ray)
Greater weapon specialization (ray)
Improved Initiative
Precise shot
Point blank shot
Extraordinary. concentration

Epic Feats (8):
Spell Stowaway (Time Stop)
Ignore Material components
Multi-Spell
Auto Quicken (1-3)
Epic Weapon Focus (ray)
Epic Weapon Specialization (ray)
Superior Initiative
Familiar Spell (Teleport, Greater) 1/day

Poverty:
+5 weapon enhancement bonus
Resistance 15 to all elements
Ability score enhancements
DR 10/evil
AC bonus +10
Deflection bonus to AC +3
True seeing
Resistance bonus to saves +3
Natural Armor +2
Greater Sustenance (no need to eat, drink or breath)

Skills [ranks][ability][competence][other]
Bluff [24][13]=37
Concentration [43][3]=46
Craft: Architecture [43][8]=51
Craft: Raw Materials [43][8]=51
Decipher Script:[20][8]=28
Disguise: [15][13]=28
Heal: [14][8]=22
Spellcraft: [43][8]=51
Knowledge: religion [18][8]=26
Knowledge: Arcana [43][8]=41
Knowledge: Architecture and Engineering [43][8]=51

Spells:
DC 28+spell level, CL18
1 (6) True Strike, expeditious retreat, shield, grease, feather fall
2 (6) Alter Self, Cat's grace, Darkness, Obscure object
3 (6) Non-detection, Tongues, Heroism, Haste
4 (6) Dimension Door, Polymorph, wall of fire, remove curse
5 (6) Break Enchantment, Wall of Force, Telekinesis, Duel Ward
6 (6) Contingency, Geas, Anti- Magic field
7 (6) Elemental Immunity, sequester, teleport (greater)
8 (6) Polymorph any Object, Moment of Presence, Mind Blank
9 (6) Time Stop, Shape Change, Mage's Disjunction

Class Abilities:
Sorceror:
Familiar
Fighter:
None
Lore Master:
5 secrets:
Secret Health
Secrets of inner strength
The lore of true stamina
Secret knowledge of avoidance
Weapon Trick
Lore
Greater Lore
True Lore
2 Bonus Languages (Silvan, Dwarven)
Master Transmogrifist:
Favored shapes (9 see below)
Extended Change: Extend transmutation into favored shape
Manifest senses: gain extraordinary senses of favored shape
Battle mastery +6 (to attack when in favored shape)
Effortless change: stilled and silent transmutation into favored shape
Shape changer: auto-permanent Alter Self, shapechanger subtype
Reflexive change: Transmute into favored shape as an immediate action, lose your next turn
Manifest qualities: gain extraordinary qualities of favored shape
Infinite variety: Splice one aspect of another creature onto one of your favored shapes.


Favored Forms:

Protean Scourge form:
As above except Medium Monstrous Humanoid;Spd 40ft, climb 10ft; AC 39, touch 19, ff 33; Hp 582, Grp +34, atk na, Space/reach 5/5. SA Split. SQ Change shape, damage reduction 10/silver,
dark-vision 60, immunity to petrification and poison, SR 24. SV Fort +32, Reflex +24. Str25(7), Dex22(6), Con30(10) (MMIII)

Ocher Jelly form:
As above except Large Ooze; Spd 10ft, climb 10ft; AC 17, touch , flat footed; HP 662, Grp 32, atk claw 2d6+10, fullatk 2 claws 2d6+10, gore 1d8+7,, Space/reach 10/5. SA Improved grab, constrict. SQ Blindsight 60, split, ooze traits, SV Fort +34, Reflex +15; Str 20(+5), Dex 6(-2), Con 33(+12).
Split (Ex) Slashing and piercing weapons and electricity attacks deal no damage to an ochre jelly. Instead the creature splits into two identical jellies, each with half of the original’s current hit points (round down). A jelly with 10 hit points or less cannot be further split and dies if reduced to 0 it points.

Shambling Mound Form:
As above except Large Plant Spd: 20ft, swim 20ft. Hp 462, AC 35, touch 14, ff 33, Grp +38, atk slam 34 melee (2d6+7) full atk 2 slams. Space/reach 10/10 SA Improved grab, constict 2d10+10. SQ Darkvision 60ft, immunity to electricity (+1d4 con), SV Fort 29 Ref 19; Str 26 (+7), Dex 15(+2), Con25(+7).

Shambling Army Form
As Shambling Mound Form except add Ocher Jelly SA Split (see above)

Leechwalker
As above except Medium-size Vermin; speed 30 swim 20; AC: na, touch: 14 ff:na HP 502, Grp 33, atk 2 tenticle rakes 1d8 +7 1d8+4+wounding, 5/5, SA Blood drink, improved grab, wounding. SQ All-around vision, immunities, vermin traits. Fort 29, Ref 19, Str 23, Dex 15, Con 27. (MMII)

Deathproof Leechwalker
As Leechwalker but add the regeneration Ex. ability of a war troll.

Choker Form:
As above except Small Aberration; Spd 20ft, climb 10ft; AC 17, touch , flat footed; HP 462, Grp 28, atk na, Space/reach 5/10. SA Improved grab, constrict. SQ Darkvison 60, quickness (extra standard or move action) SV Fort +29, Reflex +20; Str 21(+5), Dex 19(+4), Con 24(+7).

Other Creatures Often Used:

Protean Swarm form (shapechange only):
As Protean Scourge form except add Ghaele light ray Ex.rngd touch atk +48,

Laser Jelly Artillery Form (shapechange only):
As Ocher Jelly Form except add Ghaele SA Light Ray (See below)
rngd atk +40

Ghaele:
Ex: Light Ray 2d12 (+8) ranged attack, range 300ft, bypasses all damage reduction.


Daily Buffs:
Immunity to Acid (lvl 7 spell CA)
Immunity to Sonic (lvl 7 spell CA)
Alter self (dirty peasant, duration permanent)
Contingency (polymorph)(lvl 6 cast yesterday): Turns into a Deathproof Leechwalker when about to take damage while in a humanoid form.
Moment of Presence (lvl 8)
Mind Blank (lvl 8)

Contingent Spells (Crafted):
Spell lvl* caster lvl* 100
Freedom when affected by any of the conditions that freedom relieves. 15,300gp
Dimension door, when anti-magic field is 5 feet away or less, teleport away 300 feet. 2800gp
Greater Teleport, when anti-magic field fills any adjacent square, teleport to the inner sanctum of the church of Moriden. 9100gp
Greater Spell Immunity vs Dispel magic, Greater dispel magic when either spell targeted within 20ft. 12,000gp
Death Ward when a death effect, or negative energy effect occurs within 10ft CL 20 8,000


Lantern Archon Familiar.
Wears a tiara worth 1500 (loans it for shape change)
Hovers nearby.


Equipment:
Rags
Small Bag (nonmagical)
One days rations
Walking Stick

Total Gold Used:
734,700gp
Gold spent to build low income housing for poor people:
14,265,300gp


Typical Attack Sequence:
Turn 1
Shapechange into Choker Form (Extended, Silenced, Stilled)
Use quickness SQ to cast sudden maximized time stop (5 round duration)
Auto quickened expeditious retreat on self.
Turn 2 (first round of time stop)
As a free action change to Protean Swarm form (see above)
Auto quicken Alter Self into Gargoyle (2claws 1d4+10) fly speed 60
Full attack self for 2d4+20. 20 damage is negated due to DR 10/evil. Take 2d4 damage split twice into 4 bodies.
Turn 3 (second round of time stop)
attack self, 1d4 damage taken by each body, split into 8 bodies
Move away from enemies (70ft)
Turn 4 (third round of time stop)
full attack self, 2d4 damage taken by each body, split into 32 bodies
Turn 5 (fourth round of time stop)
attack self, 1d4 damage taken by each body, split into 64 bodies
move away from each-other (Max 70ft)
Turn 6 (fifth and last round of time stop)
All selves prep to use light ray against enemy as soon as time stop ends
[Timestop ends]
64 light rays attack from max distance of 300ft dealing 128d12+512 damage.

[squall255]

two things:
Problem with your tactics, you can't attack ANYTHING, including yourself in Time Stop.

here's a link to epic VoP:http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=554563

[nickkruse]

The SRD doesn't say anything about being unable to attack yourself. In fact is seems to suggest that it is possible to attack anyone you want, it just won't do damage to "other creatures"
"While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to your attacks and spells"
It also mentions that
"Normal and magical fire, cold, gas, and the like can still harm you."
this suggests that for the person in time stop damage is handled normally.

Thank you for the VoP link. I think I've got a little more work to do. I bet the DR goes up making the whole attack myself thing not work so well.

[propagandist]

i'm not sure my schedule, if i'll even make it by lunch on saturday, but if i do come, i'd like to play in your epic game.
i'd like to play something like this

race: shifter(eberron and mm3) other lvl adjuster Saint template +2 la (exalted deeds).

Classes:
paladin 4/ monk 16/ warshaper 4(complete warrior)/ devoted defender 3 (sword and fist)/risen martyr 9(exalted deeds)/sword of righteousness 2(exalted deeds)

BAB: +25 or 24flurry
caster lvl:4

HD: 38d12 (deathless template) 247hp
AC: 97 (12dex, 15armor, 10natural, 17insight(wis from saint template, 12 deflection, 21 monk)
136 AC with 25 improved combat expertise, 2 dodge for defensive fighting, 12 enhancement for defender weapon
Touch AC: 72
Flat-Footed AC: 85
Initiative: +12
Speed: 70ft


Primary Hand: +12 defending siangham
Attack Bonus:
+24 Base +17 wisdom +12 enhancement +1 luck
Total: +54/54/54/49/44 (1d6+21)

Unarmed
lawful/magic/adamantite/holy large fists
24base +17 wis +1 luck +1 focus
total: +43/43/43/38/33 (4d8+9) (vs evil 4d8+3d6+10)


Abilities:
Str: 29 (4 racial, 5 inherent, 12 enhancement)
Dex: 35 (4 pts, 2 racial, 5 inherent, 12 enhancement 1lvl)
Con: - (nonexistant deathless)
Int: 10 (4pts, -2racial)
Wis: 45 (16pts, 2racial, 5 inherent, 12 enhancement, 8lvl)
Cha: 35 (8pts, 4racial, 5inherent 12 enhancement)

Saves:
Fort: +36 (23 base +6 char +1 luck)
Refl: +51 (20 base +12 dex+12 char+1 luck+6 feats)
Will: +53 (23 base+17 will+12 char+1 luck)

Feats:
weapon focus unarmed
alertness
aescetic knight (complete warrior)
combat reflexes
combat expertise
nimbus of light (exalted deeds)
servant of the heavens (exalted deeds)
lighning reflexes
epic reflexes (epic)
exceptional deflection(epic)
infinite deflection(epic)
holy (ki) strike(epic)
improved combat expertise(epic)

sword of righteosness bonus exalted feats
gift of grace
intuitive attack

monk bonus feats
stunning fist
deflect arrows
improved disarm

racial/class abilities
scent (shifter, also gives con, but not applicable)
shift 1/day 3 rounds
smite 5/day +20dmg
divine grace
aura of good
detect evil at will
lay on hands 68hp/day
turn undead 20/day
improved unarmed strike
greater flurry
improved evasion
still mind - na immune to mind effecting/charm/sleep/stun/paralysis
ki strike-magic lawful adamantite holy
purity of body/wholeness of body, again na, immune to disease poison ect, anything that requires fort save cept for negative energy dmg
abundant step 1/day
slowfall 80ft
diamond soul-SR26
quivering palm 1/week fortdc 35
morphic immunities
morphic weapons
morphic body
morphic reach
morphic healing 2 - overrided by fast healing 10
harms way - at will
defensive strike
deflect attack +1 reflex dc 20+magic bonus
holy purpose +4
spiritual body
charisma bonus to ac (deflection)
wisdom bonus to ac (insight)
fire resist 10
immunity to cold acid electricity
dr 10/evil
persistant holy aura as per spell
tounges
celestial brilliance 1/day
daylight at will free action
bless, guidance, virute, resistance at will
darkvision 60
imune to those listed above and ability drain/dmg
subdual dmg
destroyed at 0hp
gain benifits from consecrate/hallow
hindered by descrate unhallow
no need to eat/sleep/breath
holy power
holy touch 1d6 to evil, 1d8 to evil outisers


skills[ranks][ability][competence][other]
diplomacy 22
escape artist 32
heal 20
knowledge religion 18
knowledge arcana 3
knowledge dm 5billion trillion, jk
search 4
sense motive 21
spot 37
tumble 34

Spells: 5/day lvl 1 pally
DC 21 CL4
read magic
lesser restoration
cure light woundsx3 1d8+4

Equipment
+12 defending saingham
bracers of epic armor +15
amulet of natural armor +10
periapt of wisdom +12
gloves of dex +12
boots of giant str +12
cloak of charisma +12
ring of energy immunity fire
manuals and tomes +5 str dex wis charisma
luckstone
gem of seeing
rope of entanglement
daerns instant fortress
monks belt
puts me around 14.4mil, so have 600k left for another ring and mundane items, food lodging ect

[propagandist]

now you may not realize that with only 3 lvls of devoted defender, that is the point of the class
i pick a target, and make me not get hit instead of them get hit.
as you can see with my attacks averaging 25dmg i'm not here to kill stuff. i'm here to stand next to the glass cannon or healer, or whoever i'm protecting and jump in the way with my 136ac and elemental immunities and hopefully neither of us will die, again. also i have auras up the ass, i eminate a magic circle vs evil at 10ft radius, give all good aligned +12 to their saves if they don't already have divine grace, and can turn undead with my whopping 4 caster lvl ! lol

by the way, there was a lot of redundant immunities and abilites, so i have to figure out which are extrordanary and can't be dispelled, and what gives me the highest spell resistance

[propagandist]

nick, true, call it a typo

thats also why i didn't take the last lvl of risen martyr cause you basically ascend and become an outsider. basically the only thing that really matters in class order is that monk is in the first 20 lvls, for the good saves.

as far as broken dmg dealers, last year i made a rogue that sneak attack of opportunty anytime someone freind or foe within 10 ft was struck in combat, and could feint as a free action to catch it's target flatfooted, but it ended up doing less dmg than straight rage class with power attack

and mystic theurge isn't as powerful with no epic spellcasting and ur preist is out, being evil and all, and caster lvl caps at 20 so spell resistance is over powered. although i think true necromancer and geomancer can make your arcane and divine classes stack, actually capping it at 40, if i remember

i think i'm gonna draw up a straight bezerker melee class now

[propagandist]

so, i'm looking at the protean scourge timestop combo, and i think its mostly right except for one thing. shapechange says the form of one nonunique critter your familiar with. your "protean swarm" is not a nonunique critter since it doesn't appear in a monster manual. now what you can do is use protean scourge's change shape ability to turn into the appearance of a light form ghaele. mm3 doesn't specify what amount of time if any this takes, so whether its a free action, or standard action, i dunno. even if it is a standard action, thats one less attack during timestop, so youd still have 64d12 +256dmg but you have to hit with them all, ranged touch attack and all. i do however like it alot.
also makes me glad it took infinite deflection

[soronthebeast]

"BASE CL caps at 20" simply means that if i was a level 40 wizard, my CL (before feats or want not) would be 20, correct?

Also when you say "any book" I am hoping you do not also mean the "psionics hand book"
With these web sites:
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20021122b
www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/ei/ei20030110a
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030221a

Also, I am sure you meant "any 3.5 book" even with the: D&D v.3.5 Accessory Update Booklet
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20030718a
and your love of "wacky races" I hope there is no way I could convince you to let me play a CG "Illithid Savant" from Savage Species.

Which one of you is Phil? Squall if YOU'RE Phil(i know he likes FF), just forget everything I just said. I respect you too much to make a busted guy and will just try for a Chameleon, always liked that class.

[squall255]

My real name is Eric, XPH is allowed, but I will be putting in limits just as with epic casting. Also note that the reason Psionics is normally termed broken is because most DM's go for 1 battle per day, not the recommended 2-4 that the system is ballanced for. I'm not that naive.

Illithid Savant seems pretty cool, but you're going to have to justify how those abilities are GOOD. Stealing peoples memory tends to be frowned upon.

Yes you do understand what I meant by base CL. no matter what class combination you use, base CL caps at 20. so if you have two classes that stack CL, both have a COMBINED cap of 20.

I meant any 3.5 wizards of the coast book, as well as some material from 3.0 books like masters of the wild, Sword and Fist, etc.

[soronthebeast]

squall255 said:

My real name is Eric,

Do I know you? (I know some eric's you old prez of the club eric?)

squall255 said:

Illithid Savant seems pretty cool, but you're going to have to justify how those abilities are GOOD. Stealing peoples memory tends to be frowned upon.

WHAT?..... Um.... Let me see if I can't get to your change your mind on that one: Sample level 40 Character, by Taylor Connor (This is a ruff draft, i am not up on all the books yet(downloading them now) and I assume/hope you will just say "no" when I am done, if not I will add items)
Sorry in advance for the spelling or grammar errors.
First a story: Ith (his real name unpronounceable by people without 4 tentacles and telepathy) was born insane. Unlike the other mindflayers, he was not merely telepathic he was emphatic. His was 'born' with it this defect. From the moment he gained conciseness after his larva form implanted itself in the brain of a drow, he felt the pain of his host as it died. But, unlike other sane mindflayers, he did not revel in that pain, he shared it.
He could not function as a normal member of mindflayer society. He felt the pain of those around him, even the humanoid slaves. But what was even worse, was he felt their joy as well. Normal mindflayers can only feel negative emotions (see lords of madness). Ith did not. he felt the whole spectrum of emotions, and one truly drove him mad, guilt. No knowing what to do, he new he could not turn to the other mindflayers, who wanted little t do with him, and who were discussing if he could even have the honor of being eaten by the Elder Brain, since his defect might spread to it, like a virus. He ran away.

Through the underdark he stumbled not knowing were he was going, simply wanting to get away from the well of dark emotions that was his home. As he wandered aimlessly he felt him self being drawn to something, like a moth to a flame. He felt, for the first time in his life, true joy. Happiness and caring(the slaves were manly drow, who where not exactly into joy, especially when they where slaves) drew him. He happened on a group of powerful (good) adventures that were in the underdark. When he came upon them, the paladin in the group started to attack him, and Ith, seeing his intent begged for his life. The paladin was slightly taken aback by the mindflayer that ran at him, and then started to cower. Doing what any paladin does when he is confused, he detected evil. Ith was, it seems, good. The paladin and his party thought at first it might be a trick. But the mage and cleric could not find any fowl magic at work, and slowly the party realized, they really did have a good mindflayer infront of them. They let Ith join them. (they where in the underdark to see if they could kill the beast while it slept, but the info they got was wrong, and they could not find it)
Ith had many adventures with the group. It turns out they were trying to kill the Tarrasque, who had killed the paladin's father and mage's home town (and to ride the world of its evil). Ith liked his new friends and with them learned to control his empathic and telepathic abilities.
The group did find and kill the Tarrasque, and the level 25 true necromancer that was trying to control it. Ith has recently decided to go his own way, but tries to stay in touch with them. He also hopes that some day he will be a better mindflayer, and his old elder brian will eat his brain when he dies.


Ith, the Empathetic (NG) [shadow=red,left,300][glow=green,2,300](Items and Spells will be added after DM's approval of this part)[/glow][/shadow]
Mindflayer 14(8hd+7LA)/ Illithid Savant 9/ Psion(telepath) 17
ABILITIES
Strength 10+2racial=12
Dexterity 10+4racial=14
Constitution 13+2racial+1lvl=16
Intelligence 16+8racial+6lvl=30
Wisdom 16+6racial=22
Charisma 10+6racial=16

STATISTICS
HP: 8d8+ 10d4+16d4+3*33=183
AC: 15=10+2Dex+3nat
Touch: 12
Speed: 30,
Initiative: +2
BAB/Grapple: +18/+18
SAVES:
For: +13
Rex: +12
Will: +28
1HD: TBA
3HD: TBA
6HD: TBA
9HD: TBA
12HD: TBA
15HD: TBA
18HD: TBA
21HD: TBA
24HD: TBA
27HD: TBA
30HD: TBA

MINDFLAYER:
Darkvision 60 (telepathy 100 ft.)
Natural attacks: Tentacles
Special: Mind Blast(DC17), Psionics, Improved Grab, Extract
Spell Resist: 51

PSION:
PP:(332)
Powers know:33 up to 9th level (the powers are TBA)
4 bonus feats, discipline: Telepath.

ILLITHID SAVANT:
Acquire Skill 3: TBA
Acquire Feat 4: TBA
Lore 8/day:+20
Acquire Class Feature 2: 20lvl wizard/ 20 level cleric
Spell lvl; Bonus Wizard; Bonus Cleric
1 1+3 1+1
2 1+3 1+1
3 1+2 1+1
4 1+2 1
5 1+2 1
6 1+2 1
7 1+1 1
8 1+1 1
9 1+1 1
Special Attack(I am assuming no Tarrasque's regen) hu.... www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030608a
that's got troll regen... cso i should beable to get Tarrasque.....



Shoot I just found/remembered this page:
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030608a
I will redo if this is excepted

[nickkruse]

propagandist said:

nick, true, call it a typo

thats also why i didn't take the last lvl of risen martyr cause you basically ascend and become an outsider. basically the only thing that really matters in class order is that monk is in the first 20 lvls, for the good saves.

Read the end of Risen Martyr again. I'm pretty sure that you ascend only when you gain a level beyond ten (like level 11). Its confusing to have a ten level prestige class tell you what to do at level 11, but Risen Martyr is the only class I know to have a level 0, it might as well have a level 11 too.

[nickkruse]

Taylor, Please don't play a Psion. I hate Psions, they just make things too complex. All the rules for Psions are a big pain in the neck. Stick with Wizard, Cleric, and the two best Extra Ordinary Qualities in the game. You can leave Psionics out and still be ok.