Which is the best over all StarShip Captain?

[soronthebeast]

Ok so this week we will be looking at sicfic. After watching Battlestar I was wondering which starship captain is the best in all of sicfic? There will be 3 topics of discussion this week, as always the over all poll is for over all best Starship captain. The categories are:
1. Fastest/best maneuvering pilot, give equal ships who would win in a race?
2. Best leader/tactician.
3. Best Star Fighter. Put them all on there own ships, (with crew) and see who would win!
Jean-Luc has won too much in the last few polls.. So he is not in this one. and ]: P (I know I love him to and want to have his kids and all that)

[erasmus]

1) Best Maneuvering - Han Solo. He made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. Since a parsec is a measurement of distance rather than time, I believe that Han Solo can convert space into time, making him the fastest pilot.

2) Best Tactician - Locutus of Borg. When you have the collective knowledge of billions of other minds, you are consequently a better strategist than any single mind.

3) Best Overall - Captain Kirk. Him and his crew would invent something in the last 10 minutes of the episode that would let them beat all the rest of the contestants.

[rich]

The Executor is the Flagship of the Galactic Empire. Darth Vader commands it with an Iron Fist (probably some other allow actually) and it remains as such until he leaves it to go to the Death Star at which point someone fucks up and crashes the Executor.

[agonthier]

1) It's kinda hard to say who's the fastest pilot, since that depends on the ship. And as for maneuvering a capital ship, well, capital ships aren't known for their maneuverability, so it really just depends on the number of turbo lasers you have on the ship in order to blast your way through asteroid fields or whatever.
but, if I had to choose, I'd choose Han Solo (assuming a fighter sized craft). He even beat Darth Vader.

2) James T. Kirk - In addition to holding the unswerving loyalty of the Enterprise crew (except in cases due to outside influence or Spock's stupid vulcan sex drive), he always beams down to the surface as part of the away team. Now THAT'S a leader who leads from the front!

3) Best Star Fighter - I don't fully understand this topic. The category title leads me to think "Best Star fighter pilot" but the description leads me to think "Best Capital Ship tactitian" and both of these were already kind of addressed.

Kirk gets my vote cause leadership and tactical qualities are more important as a captain than pure ship control abililty. Also, he's such a rough and tumble badass. And gets it on with aliens, so he does his part for interspecies relations.

[andwer]

I would like to point out first that the poll is slightly erroneous. John Crichton was never a captain of any vessel (except possibly his pod, and that had no crew and no weapons), people sometimes listened to him, but he was not captain. The only member of the farscape crew that was ever legitimately captain was Ka D'Argo.

That said I would pick him (crichton) for best manuevering as he spent much of his time practicing stupid flight stunts to avoid the peacekeeper and try to activate wormholes in a ship that had been partially modified using stolen peacekeeper tech. His intellegence, reaction times and plucky grasp of crazy interstellar physics gives him the edge. (his two closest competitors in my book are anakin and han, but neither have shown the same piloting inventiveness, they are just good, not insane).

Honestly, I think you have a bad list for leadership/tactician, there isn't really anyone that is really good at both. Kirk and Sheridan are good leaders, but bad tacticians (there are many cases where they are coordinating tactics while at the same time putting themselves in the position of highest danger, risking the entire mission) Adama is a good tactican, but his leadership suffers from the very hardline attitude that makes him a good tactician (and that may enable him to save the fleet), I don't really know anything about gerrard, other then that he flew the weatherlight. The rest really don't fit the bill. (as anakin was an outsider, and then as DV he killed all his commanders, and they kept failing him, locutus wasn't a leader, he was a mouthpiece)
Result: Adama, hes the closest to being good at both.

Ship to ship combat: Locutus: he was a tactical genius as picard, and that is something he would not have lost (and possibly increased) as a borg.
Kirks battle tactics amount to "lets hide behind that moon" and "fire phasers at them"
sheridan takes a flippin fighter plane out when he could use the strength of B5
anakin gets tunnel vision
Adama is a tough one, maybe give him runner up, but he does make human mistakes (like caring about his men), and locutus does not.
Solo runs more often then he fights. Hes okay at it, but it isn't his forte.

Overall (and surprisingly, because he has lots of downsides) I'm gonna go with Adama.
He has his weaknesses, and has made mistakes, but nothing radically dumb (like sheridan and kirk). He has empathy for his crew and fleet, which usually causes them to unite behind him (unlike locutus)
hes more realistic in his interactions with people then Anakin
Hes not as bat-nuts psycho as crichton
and hes more trustworthy and combat tactically oriented then han

[soronthebeast]

Kirk is not a good leader; the people following him are just stupidly loyal. Spock knows he is an idiot but has no desire to be Captain so he makes sure the ship does not fall apart and Kirk gets all the credit.

A Borg cube is a Juggernaut, plan and simple. It can heal itself while it fights. HEAL ITSELF.
I think it should go like this
1) Han-fastest guy, no one is arguing.
2) Adama- best leader. All the humans would be dead if he was not just that good. If Kirk was on that ship he would be in a corner crying for Spock, and humanity would be extinct.
3) Borg- I will reiterate: JUGGERNAUTS


And Will Shatner could not act his way out of a paper bag.

[erasmus]

soronthebeast said:

And Will Shatner could not act his way out of a paper bag.

Taylor, I'm going to carve a picture of William Shatner holding a big cup of Mountain Dew on your tombstone

[soronthebeast]

And your right people put them selves behind Kirk all the time, and he jumps out of the way all the time. Did I menace that those people behind Kirk had red shirts?
If he is such a good leader how come a crew man dies evey ep?